Posts Tagged ‘HAMP’

Folks I am not that good…I can’t make this stuff up.  If you are involved with short sales and you don’t know and act on this….you could make $11,000 boo-boo’s each time you mess up…..Hit me up for how to work this in your business….mikeo@lmsgnow.com

MARS Part of the 2009 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act, Public Law 111-8

This part implements the 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act, Public Law 111–8, section 626, 123 Stat. 524 (Mar. 11, 2009), as clarified by the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009, Public Law 111–24, section 511, 123 Stat. 1734 (May 22, 2009).
322.2 Definitions.
For the purposes of this part:
(a) “Clear and prominent” means:
(1) In textual communications, the required disclosures shall be easily readable; in a high degree of contrast from the immediate background on which it appears; in the same languages that are substantially used in the commercial communication; in a format so that the disclosure is distinct from other text, such as inside a border; in a distinct type style, such as bold; parallel to the base of the commercial communication, and, except as otherwise provided in this rule, each letter of the disclosure shall be, at a minimum, the larger of 12-point type or one-half the size of the largest letter or numeral used in the name of the advertised website or telephone number to which consumers are referred to receive information relating to any mortgage assistance relief service. Textual communications include any communications in a written or printed form such as print publications or words displayed on the screen of a computer;
(2) In communications disseminated orally or through audible means, such as radio or streaming audio, the required disclosures shall be delivered in a slow and deliberate manner and in a reasonably understandable volume and pitch;
(3) In communications disseminated through video means, such as television or streaming video, the required disclosures shall appear simultaneously in the audio and visual parts of the commercial communication and be delivered in a manner consistent with paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section. The visual disclosure shall be at least four percent of the vertical picture or screen height and appear for the duration of the oral disclosure;
(4) In communications made through interactive media, such as the Internet, online services, and software, the required disclosures shall:
(i) Be consistent with paragraphs (a)(1) through (3) of this section;
(ii) Be made on, or immediately prior to, the page on which the consumer takes any action to incur any financial obligation;
(iii) Be unavoidable, i.e. , visible to consumers without requiring them to scroll down a webpage; and
(iv) Appear in type at least the same size as the largest character of the advertisement;
(5) In all instances, the required disclosures shall be presented in an understandable language and syntax, and with nothing contrary to, inconsistent with, or in mitigation of the disclosures used in any communication of them; and
(6) For program-length television, radio, or Internet-based multi-media commercial communications, the required disclosures shall be made at the beginning, near the middle, and at the end of the commercial communication.
(b) “Client trust account” means a separate account created by a licensed attorney for the purpose of holding client funds, which is:
(1) Maintained in compliance with all applicable state laws and regulations, including licensing regulations; and
(2) Located in the state where the attorney’s office is located, or elsewhere in the United States with the consent of the consumer on whose behalf the funds are held.
(c) “Commercial communication” means any written or oral statement, illustration, or depiction, whether in English or any other language, that is designed to effect a sale or create interest in purchasing any service, plan, or program, whether it appears on or in a label, package, package insert, radio, television, cable television, brochure, newspaper, magazine, pamphlet, leaflet, circular, mailer, book insert, free standing insert, letter, catalogue, poster, chart, billboard, public transit card, point of purchase display, film, slide, audio program transmitted over a telephone system, telemarketing script, onhold script, upsell script, training materials provided to telemarketing firms, program-length commercial (“infomercial”), the Internet, cellular network, or any other medium. Promotional materials and items and Web pages are included in the term “commercial communication.”
(1) “General Commercial Communication” means a commercial communication that occurs prior to the consumer agreeing to permit the provider to seek offers of mortgage assistance relief on behalf of the consumer, or otherwise agreeing to use the mortgage assistance relief service, and that is not directed at a specific consumer.
(2) “Consumer-Specific Commercial Communication” means a commercial communication that occurs prior to the consumer agreeing to permit the provider to seek offers of mortgage assistance relief on behalf of the consumer, or otherwise agreeing to use the mortgage assistance relief service, and that is directed at a specific consumer.
(d) “Consumer” means any natural person who is obligated under any loan secured by a dwelling.
(e) “Dwelling” means a residential structure containing four or fewer units, whether or not that structure is attached to real property, that is primarily for personal, family, or household purposes. The term includes any of the following if used as a residence: an individual condominium unit, cooperative unit, mobile home, manufactured home, or trailer.
(f) “Dwelling loan” means any loan secured by a dwelling, and any associated deed of trust or mortgage.
(g) “Dwelling Loan Holder” means any individual or entity who holds the dwelling loan that is the subject of the offer to provide mortgage assistance relief services.
(h) “Material” means likely to affect a consumer’s choice of, or conduct regarding, any mortgage assistance relief service.
(i) “Mortgage Assistance Relief Service” means any service, plan, or program, offered or provided to the consumer in exchange for consideration, that is represented, expressly or by implication, to assist or attempt to assist the consumer with any of the following:
(1) Stopping, preventing, or postponing any mortgage or deed of trust foreclosure sale for the consumer’s dwelling, any repossession of the consumer’s dwelling, or otherwise saving the consumer’s dwelling from foreclosure or repossession;
(2) Negotiating, obtaining, or arranging a modification of any term of a dwelling loan, including a reduction in the amount of interest, principal balance, monthly payments, or fees;
(3) Obtaining any forbearance or modification in the timing of payments from any dwelling loan holder or servicer on any dwelling loan;
(4) Negotiating, obtaining, or arranging any extension of the period of time within which the consumer may:
(i) Cure his or her default on a dwelling loan,
(ii) Reinstate his or her dwelling loan,
(iii) Redeem a dwelling, or
(iv) Exercise any right to reinstate a dwelling loan or redeem a dwelling;
(5) Obtaining any waiver of an acceleration clause or balloon payment contained in any promissory note or contract secured by any dwelling; or
(6) Negotiating, obtaining or arranging:
(i) A short sale of a dwelling,
(ii) A deed-in-lieu of foreclosure, or
(iii) Any other disposition of a dwelling other than a sale to a third party who is not the dwelling loan holder.
(j) “Mortgage Assistance Relief Service Provider” or “Provider” means any person that provides, offers to provide, or arranges for others to provide, any mortgage assistance relief service. This term does not include:
(1) The dwelling loan holder, or any agent or contractor of such individual or entity.
(2) The servicer of a dwelling loan, or any agent or contractor of such individual or entity.
(k) “Person” means any individual, group, unincorporated association, limited or general partnership, corporation, or other business entity, except to the extent that any person is specifically excluded from the Federal Trade Commission’s jurisdiction pursuant to 15 U.S.C. 44 and 45(a)(2).
(l) “Servicer” means the individual or entity responsible for:
(1) Receiving any scheduled periodic payments from a consumer pursuant to the terms of the dwelling loan that is the subject of the offer to provide mortgage assistance relief services, including amounts for escrow accounts under section 10 of the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act (12 U.S.C. 2609); and
(2) Making the payments of principal and interest and such other payments with respect to the amounts received from the consumer as may be required pursuant to the terms of the mortgage servicing loan documents or servicing contract.
(m) “Telemarketing” means a plan, program, or campaign which is conducted to induce the purchase of any service, by use of one or more telephones and which involves more than one interstate telephone call.
§ 322.3 Prohibited representations.
It is a violation of this rule for any mortgage assistance relief service provider to engage in the following conduct:
(a) Representing, expressly or by implication, in connection with the advertising, marketing, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or performance of any mortgage assistance relief service, that a consumer cannot or should not contact or communicate with his or her lender or servicer.
(b) Misrepresenting, expressly or by implication, any material aspect of any mortgage assistance relief service, including but not limited to:
(1) The likelihood of negotiating, obtaining, or arranging any represented service or result, such as those set forth in §322.2(i);
(2) The amount of time it will take the mortgage assistance relief service provider to accomplish any represented service or result, such as those set forth in §322.2(i);
(3) That a mortgage assistance relief service is affiliated with, endorsed or approved by, or otherwise associated with:
(i) The United States government,
(ii) Any governmental homeowner assistance plan,
(iii) Any Federal, State, or local government agency, unit, or department,
(iv) Any nonprofit housing counselor agency or program,
(v) The maker, holder, or servicer of the consumer’s dwelling loan, or
(vi) Any other individual, entity, or program;
(4) The consumer’s obligation to make scheduled periodic payments or any other payments pursuant to the terms of the consumer’s dwelling loan;
(5) The terms or conditions of the consumer’s dwelling loan, including but not limited to the amount of debt owed;
(6) The terms or conditions of any refund, cancellation, exchange, or repurchase policy for a mortgage assistance relief service, including but not limited to the likelihood of obtaining a full or partial refund, or the circumstances in which a full or partial refund will be granted, for a mortgage assistance relief service;
(7) That the mortgage assistance relief service provider has completed the represented services or has a right to claim, demand, charge, collect, or receive payment or other consideration;
(8) That the consumer will receive legal representation;
(9) The availability, performance, cost, or characteristics of any alternative to for-profit mortgage assistance relief services through which the consumer can obtain mortgage assistance relief, including negotiating directly with the dwelling loan holder or servicer, or using any nonprofit housing counselor agency or program;
(10) The amount of money or the percentage of the debt amount that a consumer may save by using the mortgage assistance relief service;
(11) The total cost to purchase the mortgage assistance relief service; or
(12) The terms, conditions, or limitations of any offer of mortgage assistance relief the provider obtains from the consumer’s dwelling loan holder or servicer, including the time period in which the consumer must decide to accept the offer;
(c) Making a representation, expressly or by implication, about the benefits, performance, or efficacy of any mortgage assistance relief service unless, at the time such representation is made, the provider possesses and relies upon competent and reliable evidence that substantiates that the representation is true. For the purposes of this paragraph, “competent and reliable evidence” means tests, analyses, research, studies, or other evidence based on the expertise of professionals in the relevant area, that have been conducted and evaluated in an objective manner by individuals qualified to do so, using procedures generally accepted in the profession to yield accurate and reliable results.
§ 322.4 Disclosures required in commercial communications.
It is a violation of this rule for any mortgage assistance relief service provider to engage in the following conduct:
(a) Disclosures in All General Commercial Communications —Failing to place the following statements in every general commercial communication for any mortgage assistance relief service:
(1) “(Name of company) is not associated with the government, and our service is not approved by the government or your lender.”
(2) In cases where the mortgage assistance relief service provider has represented, expressly or by implication, that consumers will receive any service or result set forth in §322.2(i)(2) through (6), “Even if you accept this offer and use our service, your lender may not agree to change your loan.”
(3) The disclosures required by this paragraph must be made in a clear and prominent manner, and—
(i) In textual communications the disclosures must appear together and be preceded by the heading “IMPORTANT NOTICE,” which must be in bold face font that is two point-type larger than the font size of the required disclosures; and
(ii) In communications disseminated orally or through audible means, wholly or in part, the audio component of the required disclosures must be preceded by the statement “Before using this service, consider the following information.”
(b) Disclosures in All Consumer-Specific Commercial Communications —Failing to disclose the following information in every consumer-specific commercial communication for any mortgage assistance relief service:
{“Consumer-Specific Commercial Communication” means a commercial communication that occurs prior to the consumer agreeing to permit the provider to seek offers of mortgage assistance relief on behalf of the consumer, or otherwise agreeing to use the mortgage assistance relief service, and that is directed at a specific consumer.}

(1) “You may stop doing business with us at any time. You may accept or reject the offer of mortgage assistance we obtain from your lender [or servicer]. If you reject the offer, you do not have to pay us. If you accept the offer, you will have to pay us (insert amount or method for calculating the amount) for our services.” For the purposes of this paragraph, the amount “you will have to pay” shall consist of the total amount the consumer must pay to purchase, receive, and use all of the mortgage assistance relief services that are the subject of the sales offer, including, but not limited to, all fees and charges.
(2) “(Name of company) is not associated with the government, and our service is not approved by the government or your lender.”
(3) In cases where the mortgage assistance relief service provider has represented, expressly or by implication, that consumers will receive any service or result set forth in §322.2(i)(2) through (6), “Even if you accept this offer and use our service, your lender may not agree to change your loan.”
(4) The disclosures required by this paragraph must be made in a clear and prominent manner, and—
(i) In textual communications the disclosures must appear together and be preceded by the heading “IMPORTANT NOTICE,” which must be in bold face font that is two point-type larger than the font size of the required disclosures; and
(ii) In communications disseminated orally or through audible means, wholly or in part, the audio component of the required disclosures must be preceded by the statement “Before using this service, consider the following information” and, in telephone communications, must be made at the beginning of the call.
(c) Disclosures in All General Commercial Communications, Consumer-Specific Commercial Communications, and Other Communications —In cases where the mortgage assistance relief service provider has represented, expressly or by implication, in connection with the advertising, marketing, promotion, offering for sale, sale, or performance of any mortgage assistance relief service, that the consumer should temporarily or permanently discontinue payments, in whole or in part, on a dwelling loan, failing to disclose, clearly and prominently, and in close proximity to any such representation that “If you stop paying your mortgage, you could lose your home and damage your credit rating.”
§ 322.6 Assisting and facilitating.
It is a violation of this rule for a person to provide substantial assistance or support to any mortgage assistance relief service provider when that person knows or consciously avoids knowing that the provider is engaged in any act or practice that violates this rule.
§ 322.7 Exemptions.
(a) An attorney is exempt from this part, with the exception of §322.5, if the attorney:
(1) Provides mortgage assistance relief services as part of the practice of law;
(2) Is licensed to practice law in the state in which the consumer for whom the attorney is providing mortgage assistance relief services resides or in which the consumer’s dwelling is located; and
(3) Complies with state laws and regulations that cover the same type of conduct the rule requires.
(b) An attorney who is exempt pursuant to paragraph (a) of this section is also exempt from §322.5 if the attorney:
(1) Deposits any funds received from the consumer prior to performing legal services in a client trust account; and
(2) Complies with all state laws and regulations, including licensing regulations, applicable to client trust accounts.
§ 322.8 Waiver not permitted.
It is a violation of this rule for any person to obtain, or attempt to obtain, a waiver from any consumer of any protection provided by or any right of the consumer under this rule.
§ 322.9 Recordkeeping and compliance requirements.
(a) Any mortgage assistance relief provider must keep, for a period of twenty-four (24) months from the date the record is created, the following records:
(1) All contracts or other agreements between the provider and any consumer for any mortgage assistance relief service;
(2) Copies of all written communications between the provider and any consumer occurring prior to the date on which the consumer entered into an agreement with the provider for any mortgage assistance relief service;
(3) Copies of all documents or telephone recordings created in connection with compliance with paragraph (b) of this section;
(4) All consumer files containing the names, phone numbers, dollar amounts paid, and descriptions of mortgage assistance relief services purchased, to the extent the mortgage assistance relief service provider keeps such information in the ordinary course of business;
(5) Copies of all materially different sales scripts, training materials, commercial communications, or other marketing materials, including websites and weblogs, for any mortgage assistance relief service; and
(6) Copies of the documentation provided to the consumer as specified in §322.5 of this rule;
(b) A mortgage assistance relief service provider also must:
(1) Take reasonable steps sufficient to monitor and ensure that all employees and independent contractors comply with this rule. Such steps shall include the monitoring of communications directed at specific consumers, and shall also include, at a minimum, the following:
(i) If the mortgage assistance relief service provider is engaged in the telemarketing of mortgage assistance relief services, performing random, blind recording and testing of the oral representations made by individuals engaged in sales or other customer service functions;
(ii) Establishing a procedure for receiving and responding to all consumer complaints; and
(iii) Ascertaining the number and nature of consumer complaints regarding transactions in which all employees and independent contractors are involved;
(2) Investigate promptly and fully each consumer complaint received;
(3) Take corrective action with respect to any employee or contractor whom the mortgage assistance relief service provider determines is not complying with this rule, which may include training, disciplining, or terminating such individual; and
(4) Maintain any information and material necessary to demonstrate its compliance with paragraphs (b)(1) through (3) of this section.
(c) A mortgage assistance relief provider may keep the records required by §322.10(a) through this section in any form, and in the same manner, format, or place as it keeps such records in the ordinary course of business.
(d) It is a violation of this rule for a mortgage assistance relief service provider not to comply with this section.
§ 322.10 Actions by states.
Any attorney general or other officer of a state authorized by the state to bring an action under this part may do so pursuant to Section 626(b) of the 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act, Public Law 111–8, section 626, 123 Stat. 524 (Mar. 11, 2009), as amended by Public Law 111–24, section 511, 123 Stat. 1734 (May 22, 2009).
§ 322.11 Severability.
The provisions of this rule are separate and severable from one another. If any provision is stayed or determined to be invalid, it is the Commission’s intention that the remaining provisions shall continue in effect.

(You can;t) Keep it Short,

Mike Knows

Housing Currently Undervalued by 14% to 17%

(Source: DSNews 12/6/10)

No surprise there right?  Well it is a BIG SURPRISE if you HAVE TO SELL before the bank takes it back.  If you have bought in the last 10 years and have put less than 20% down payment then chances are your HOUSE IS UNDERWATER.  So what do you do?  If it makes sense not to loose it to the bank for a foreclosure on your record (that will hurt your credit for the next 7-10 years) then you SHORT SALE YOUR HOUSE.  A successful short sale (meaning it is negotiated and closed with a buyer) then you have a chance to restore your credit within couple of years!  I am an advocate of such measures not because I own and run a short sale negotiation business www.LossMitigationSpecialistGroup.com, but my wife and I have had to face the same decision.Be that as it may it is not about wrestling with the past it is about moving toward the future.  Feel free to inquire how to sell your home undervalue!

Keep it Short,

Mike Knows

Mikeo@lmsgnow.com

http://www.dsnews.com/articles/research-firm-says-housing-currently-undervalued-by-14-to-17-2010-12-06

Defaulted Borrowers File Lawsuit Against Wells Fargo

(headline from DS News article 12/1/10)

So it has been some time since I wrote about the “topsy tervy” market.    I have to apologize, I have been really working on the business of assisting the decisions of homeowners THAT HAVE TO SELL.  And it seems this is one of the main reasons.  When I discuss with a homeowner if they have been working on a solution to keep their home, they tell me they have been trying to work a loan modification…..for the upteenth time and for the last 6-8 months!!!!  And for the most part to NO AVAIL.

One of the most revealing parts of my inquiry is what homeowners tell me that their lender (or the 20 year old behind the phone) told them to do.  Now don’t get my sarcasm wrong…there are plenty of professional reps out there and they work within there guidelines, which is completely commendable.  The issue I have is that when you pose a carrot out there for these servicer to position a homeowner to do something that will help the program (the HAMP) and hurt the homeowner (like STOP PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE so you can qualify for a Loan Modification) then something doesn’t add up. What most don’t know is that the lender/servicer incentively directs its employees to get people into loan modification programs.  And thus the carrot corrupts the process….

So do your homework to see if you can and will be able to save your home,or come to the grips of the decisions you make should be based on your own thorough assessment versus some else’s suggestion…..namely your lender.  We are here offer direction, and if needed buy a short sale.

http://www.dsnews.com/articles/harwood-feffer-files-lawsuit-against-wells-fargo-2010-11-30

Keep it short,

Mike Knows

New results with better number for the bail out program.  But, the admittance of a delayed conversion and trial being extended has me wondering.  That is good news….if this is truly the answer and the reason of the HAMP program.  So I am not trying to be a critic, but and my observation is that looking like a way to string along (a good percentage mind you) the inevitable…. fail loan mod’s and people out of there home.  In some ways (being the critic) it would appear that the BIG BANKS would have their numbers and plan on them for this benefit.  Of course the other benefit is to see them succeed, but somewhere in the middle therein lies the truth.

My specific solution would be to become clear on if this is really a benefit for each homeowner based on the own financial future.  I know leaving a home and the security has a lot of weight, but the challenge is if it is a misled solution in the first place?  Know your numbers and plan for the future. The banks are requesting it, and we as homeowner’s should expect it.

I have a good math class to share if you want to use it or share it.  Please email me for more details.  Mikeo@lmsgnow.com

http://www.dsnews.com/articles/treasury-report-shows-230000-homeowners-in-permanent-hamp-mods-2010-04-14

Please feel free to leave your comments below!

Keep it short,

Mike Knows

So here is where I CHALLENGE all of you whom raise their nose in the air, or let out a “but they are so difficult to deal with” to read this.  STOP THE CHATTER in your head for 2 minutes.  Ok, that was better then getting a hysterical slap off the cheek or cold water poured on you when you are having a nightmare (ask my buddy Gino about that one LOL)!

The article that I am sharing is simply the January 2010 statistics on the type of sales in our real estate world.  I am one to recoginze change after I have fought it and usually been effected by not adapting to it, but I am also one that once I catch on….LOOK OUT.    So this article basically states the obvious with what is out there in the market.  In my own experience it has been in the Massachusetts market for the last 3 years.  I personally have been effected and in it for the last 2 1/2 years.  So, basically the reason for my bantering is because there are many RE Professionals (you know who you are) that still do not want to recognize that there is a viable opportunity in this market (namely short sales), but you refuse to listen and act on what I have for you.  What you say?  You already know?  Hmmm not sure we’ve met or even done business together.  Anyway, I have built a full service RE business that is working this market in short sales and other stuff.  I have even created training and trained many to work with me…..and benefit.  I would cal this a shameless plug if I were selling something but I am not….it’s FREE.  I just need willing, able, and focused individuals to make it work.  Want to know more.  See my free report on my blog or email me at Mikeo@LMSGnow,com

http://www.dsnews.com/articles/distressed-sales-take-larger-share-of-market-first-american-2010-04-08

Keep it short,

Mike Knows

…What …..more government programs!!!????  I had to add my Bostonian sarcasm to this.  And as we (the collective masses with problem property “issues”) come into another attempt to get HELP with this mess.  We are now faced with HAFA..the new Short Sale program.  THE GREAT thing is we still are working short sales and we are not needing HAFA to get them approved for homeowners!

Email me at Mikeo@lmsgnow.com for the summary.

Essentially we have another attempt to handle this issue and make it efficient for the lender.  However, there is more to identify for the pro’s and con’s of this program largely because of the HAMP (loan modification program) that has done so miserably.  Nonetheless we see this as a “works in progress” and we will have a full line of both sides.  If the results are anything like the HAMP then we will have certainly looked at CHUMP and HUMP as alternatives.  Stay tuned as we unravel this.

Keep it short,

Mike Knows

Mikeo@lmsgnow.com

Now this topic / subject is very literal in the Massachusetts housing market.  We have reached historic levels (no pun intended) for total inches of rain.  Even as I write this, we have an additional 4 more inches TODAY!  The reports of homes flooded and under water is ridiculous…

Which brings me to a relative topic.  The under water homes because of value declines and inventory that is flooding the market (because of the foreclosures).  What is important to note is that I just read an article that forecasts when the Boston real estate values would land on dry land.  They are forecasting 2017!!!  This is a very important discussion that should be reviewed by someone whom may be trying to keep their home afloat.  I am specifically addressing those whom are behind on payments and may be trying or have tried some type of program HAMP, CHUMP (j/k)  or some other “save my home” program” that may be out there.  These homeowners may be considering trying to stem an evil tide of debt while really they should just BAIL!  Bail out!?  BAIL THIS!  To each person and decision is based on knowledge and weighing out their options.  But, before they lose it completely they should consider the forecast…..and more importantly starting fresh without going down with the ship.  Again, this is just my experience and perspective, and a choice I had to make (with no regrets) in the same storm.  For more information check out www.Help-ME-ShortSales.com

More on the article: http://www.dsnews.com/articles/how-long-will-negative-equity-last-2010-03-29

Keep it short,

Mike Knows

Hey sports fans!  Sorry for the delay in with the updates.  I literally shut it down for the holidays.  I have to to tell you it was tough….I got so wrapped up in business that I was losing focus of what working really means.  The good Lord stepped in and made an adjustment with my priorities.  Him first, My family next, and everything else…well you know.

I hope all of you got to do the same with your time off.  I am refreshed and ready to go.  I feel new (kinda sorta).  I know this, that I am filled with passion to give and give abundantly.  I know we have so much to do in this market and the latest news only supports that WE have our work cut out for us.  There are new stats showing that we are in for the worst of times with the foreclosures.  Not only with the 5 year ARM recast, but the unemployment rate still in the 10′s, the seasonal slow down with sales, and the ridiculous attempts by the government to help delay the correction with HAMP (better known as CHUMP).  Anyway, do not delay and start today making a New You to change you and others lives during this troubling time.  Short Sales are in!

For more disgusting news…please read!

http://www.dsnews.com/articles/delinquencies-foreclosures-at-record-highs-with-shadow-inventories-looming-lps-report-2009-11-10

Keep it short,

Mike